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		<title>By: ka edong</title>
		<link>http://www.technobiography.com/m-commerce/m-commerce-in-the-philippines-the-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-3262</link>
		<dc:creator>ka edong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*SIM Swapping -- bottomless freebies? *

Your example about Jollibee/Globe/Smart and all the SIM Swaps, top-ups and incentives -- I have a very good friend who kept doing this for many months, changing SIMs repeatedly to avail of the freebies.

That&#039;s the effect of telcos poaching each other&#039;s subscribers by offering freebies. At a certain point, I think most subscribers will eventually go beyond the need to SIM Swap for freebies. It becomes a hassle for SIM Swappers and their friends to keep changing numbers. They will eventually move-on towards maintaining just two or three SIMs.

Further, I think the telcos have progressed towards offering more value to retain their subscribers instead of offering freebies for SIM swaps. Also, telcos have come to accept that Pinoys can, afterall, maintain 2 or 3 SIMs from different telcos. No need to poach, just give existing subscribers another SIM.

by the way, here&#039;s an article I wrote about those shops that were buying used SIMs: http://technobiography.blogspot.com/2004/04/bakal-bote-dyaryo-sim-average-urban.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*SIM Swapping &#8212; bottomless freebies? *</p>
<p>Your example about Jollibee/Globe/Smart and all the SIM Swaps, top-ups and incentives &#8212; I have a very good friend who kept doing this for many months, changing SIMs repeatedly to avail of the freebies.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the effect of telcos poaching each other&#8217;s subscribers by offering freebies. At a certain point, I think most subscribers will eventually go beyond the need to SIM Swap for freebies. It becomes a hassle for SIM Swappers and their friends to keep changing numbers. They will eventually move-on towards maintaining just two or three SIMs.</p>
<p>Further, I think the telcos have progressed towards offering more value to retain their subscribers instead of offering freebies for SIM swaps. Also, telcos have come to accept that Pinoys can, afterall, maintain 2 or 3 SIMs from different telcos. No need to poach, just give existing subscribers another SIM.</p>
<p>by the way, here&#8217;s an article I wrote about those shops that were buying used SIMs: <a href="http://technobiography.blogspot.com/2004/04/bakal-bote-dyaryo-sim-average-urban.html" rel="nofollow">http://technobiography.blogspot.com/2004/04/bakal-bote-dyaryo-sim-average-urban.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ka edong</title>
		<link>http://www.technobiography.com/m-commerce/m-commerce-in-the-philippines-the-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-3261</link>
		<dc:creator>ka edong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 03:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ruben,

Kumusta? You sure know fraud, I learned a few terms from you. Thanks!

I had to review the article as it&#039;s been more than two years (2006) since I wrote it.

*Arbitrage*

I understand what you&#039;re pointing out about arbitrage by Ronald/Garpong.

I imagine Globe can track down arbitrage if Ronald were to repeatedly send/re-send G-Cash to himself (in the guise of Garpong&#039;s cellphone) and gain 14% cellphone load.

The thought (back in 2006) was that the business model described in the article would ride on the AutoloadMax retailer network -- thus, there would be some degree of monitoring by Globe over the Autoloadmax retailers.

Since the article was written, there have been many developments in m-commerce models.
Among the latest:
http://technobiography.edongskey.com/m-commerce/get-15-rebate-from-g-cash/

Ruben, what do you think would be the implications of the 15% rebate?
Are there gaps vulnerable to fraud?
To avoid leaking possible fraud vulnerabilities (if any), you could email me directly instead of posting publicly on this blog.

ka edong</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ruben,</p>
<p>Kumusta? You sure know fraud, I learned a few terms from you. Thanks!</p>
<p>I had to review the article as it&#8217;s been more than two years (2006) since I wrote it.</p>
<p>*Arbitrage*</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re pointing out about arbitrage by Ronald/Garpong.</p>
<p>I imagine Globe can track down arbitrage if Ronald were to repeatedly send/re-send G-Cash to himself (in the guise of Garpong&#8217;s cellphone) and gain 14% cellphone load.</p>
<p>The thought (back in 2006) was that the business model described in the article would ride on the AutoloadMax retailer network &#8212; thus, there would be some degree of monitoring by Globe over the Autoloadmax retailers.</p>
<p>Since the article was written, there have been many developments in m-commerce models.<br />
Among the latest:<br />
<a href="http://technobiography.edongskey.com/m-commerce/get-15-rebate-from-g-cash/" rel="nofollow">http://technobiography.edongskey.com/m-commerce/get-15-rebate-from-g-cash/</a></p>
<p>Ruben, what do you think would be the implications of the 15% rebate?<br />
Are there gaps vulnerable to fraud?<br />
To avoid leaking possible fraud vulnerabilities (if any), you could email me directly instead of posting publicly on this blog.</p>
<p>ka edong</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben</title>
		<link>http://www.technobiography.com/m-commerce/m-commerce-in-the-philippines-the-way-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-3263</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another story of Arbitrage...do you remember when Globe and Smart were offering free SIM replacements and free Jollibee for new prepaid SIM subscription? Well here&#039;s a story of a friend who did this before... He will buy a SMART SIM for P100 with P20 or P30 pre-loaded top-up, sign up and get the free chicken at Jollibee. After using the pre-loaded top-up, he then get to Globe shop to get a free SIM replacement. Then sell Globe SIM which has a higher retail value of P150. This is one of the reason why there&#039;s so many shops wanting to buy used SIMs before (I think this was in 2003-2005). Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another story of Arbitrage&#8230;do you remember when Globe and Smart were offering free SIM replacements and free Jollibee for new prepaid SIM subscription? Well here&#8217;s a story of a friend who did this before&#8230; He will buy a SMART SIM for P100 with P20 or P30 pre-loaded top-up, sign up and get the free chicken at Jollibee. After using the pre-loaded top-up, he then get to Globe shop to get a free SIM replacement. Then sell Globe SIM which has a higher retail value of P150. This is one of the reason why there&#8217;s so many shops wanting to buy used SIMs before (I think this was in 2003-2005). Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ruben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 09:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you, Garpong and Ronald is one and the same person. Meaning, I will buy G-Cash from my 1st SIM (so I will get 14%) then send it to my other SIM, and then sell the G-Cash to my 3rd SIM (and then get another 14% profit). Imagine if I do that thousand times. Is the process vulnerable to fraud like &quot;arbitrage&quot;?
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you, Garpong and Ronald is one and the same person. Meaning, I will buy G-Cash from my 1st SIM (so I will get 14%) then send it to my other SIM, and then sell the G-Cash to my 3rd SIM (and then get another 14% profit). Imagine if I do that thousand times. Is the process vulnerable to fraud like &#8220;arbitrage&#8221;?<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Get 15% rebate from G-Cash &#124; Technobiography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Get 15% rebate from G-Cash &#124; Technobiography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] m-Commerce in the Philippines: The way to go [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ka edong</title>
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		<dc:creator>ka edong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get what you mean. Really.

I&#039;m looking at it from the G-cash company&#039;s revenue stream. Their revenue stream is from texting when users transact G-Cash.

So how do you increase that revenue stream? By conducting more transactions? Increase transactions by making G-Cash as accessible and as ubiquitous as cellphone load.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get what you mean. Really.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at it from the G-cash company&#8217;s revenue stream. Their revenue stream is from texting when users transact G-Cash.</p>
<p>So how do you increase that revenue stream? By conducting more transactions? Increase transactions by making G-Cash as accessible and as ubiquitous as cellphone load.</p>
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		<title>By: justpassingby</title>
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		<dc:creator>justpassingby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the cost of globe providing the technology, systems, etc. for this proposed &quot;tingi&quot; of gcash is too high while having essentially zero direct revenues. its not the same as selling load through autoload max because the P25 load they sell is also a P25 direct revenue. sa gcash, a P25 sale in gcash would yield them a P2.50 revenue (from texting?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the cost of globe providing the technology, systems, etc. for this proposed &#8220;tingi&#8221; of gcash is too high while having essentially zero direct revenues. its not the same as selling load through autoload max because the P25 load they sell is also a P25 direct revenue. sa gcash, a P25 sale in gcash would yield them a P2.50 revenue (from texting?).</p>
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		<title>By: ka edong</title>
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		<dc:creator>ka edong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Financially rewarding...

The thing is, the 14% load doesn&#039;t cost Globe a thing. (They can afford to provide unlimited text nga, &#039;di ba?)

Financially, for Globe to give away 14% is something valuable for a G-Cash retailer, but costs almost nothing for Globe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Financially rewarding&#8230;</p>
<p>The thing is, the 14% load doesn&#8217;t cost Globe a thing. (They can afford to provide unlimited text nga, &#8216;di ba?)</p>
<p>Financially, for Globe to give away 14% is something valuable for a G-Cash retailer, but costs almost nothing for Globe.</p>
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		<title>By: emman</title>
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		<dc:creator>emman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 05:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i see. so they&#039;re supposed to still earn some from the G-Cash transactions alone.   baka nga hindi financially rewarding kung susundin yung &#039;14% equivalent load&#039; model mo.  malay mo they&#039;re looking into this now.  sana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i see. so they&#8217;re supposed to still earn some from the G-Cash transactions alone.   baka nga hindi financially rewarding kung susundin yung &#8217;14% equivalent load&#8217; model mo.  malay mo they&#8217;re looking into this now.  sana.</p>
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		<title>By: ka edong</title>
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		<dc:creator>ka edong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi emman,

Users need cellphone load to use G-Cash.

By increasing usage of G-Cash, Globe increase their SMS revenue from G-Cash transactions.

I posted this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://rebelpixel.com/archives/2005/05/10/g-cash/#c6246&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rebelpixel&lt;/a&gt; last year: &lt;blockquote&gt;The business model I’ve seen Globe doing is that they’re earning through:
1.) SMS messages sent for G-Cash transactions
2.) service charges (which I believe is small compared to number 1 above).
3.) (theoretical) revenues from partner merchant fees&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is still accurate as far as I know.

Note that G-Cash transactions go through an access code (2882) and is not included in any of the &quot;unlimited text&quot; promos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi emman,</p>
<p>Users need cellphone load to use G-Cash.</p>
<p>By increasing usage of G-Cash, Globe increase their SMS revenue from G-Cash transactions.</p>
<p>I posted this on <a href="http://rebelpixel.com/archives/2005/05/10/g-cash/#c6246" rel="nofollow">rebelpixel</a> last year:<br />
<blockquote>The business model I’ve seen Globe doing is that they’re earning through:<br />
1.) SMS messages sent for G-Cash transactions<br />
2.) service charges (which I believe is small compared to number 1 above).<br />
3.) (theoretical) revenues from partner merchant fees</p></blockquote>
<p>This is still accurate as far as I know.</p>
<p>Note that G-Cash transactions go through an access code (2882) and is not included in any of the &#8220;unlimited text&#8221; promos.</p>
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